And I responded with a variation of the following. Because I talk too much.
‘Ramadan’ is the name of the month (like October or November) and the Muslim calendar, like the Jewish one, is lunar. As such, and unlike the Gregorian calendar, the dates are never solids, but rather shifting, so the beginning of Ramadan precedes the last year’s beginning day by 11 – 15 days.
In Islam, there are 5 pillars of faith, of which fasting during the month of Ramadan is one.
In many other religions, fasting is usually associated with the intention of self-mortification in order to bring about the freeing of one’s soul. This is not the case in Islam; because we replenish in the evenings, the discomfort – and that is really all it is – is minimal and without the intention of physical long-term stress or trauma to the body. Those fasting do no eat, smoke, drink (not even water or gum) from sunrise until sunset. Also during the sunny hours, there is no sexing to be had. Exempt from fasting are the ill, those who are on any form of medication, nursing mommas and menstruating women.
Fasting is the only one of the 5 pillars for which God did not provide a clear Why. In the absence of this concrete direction, we are then free to negotiate the reasons behind fasting, as follows, and as though we are at a buffet – choose one, or all, or none of the following reasons:
(a) It is to hone one’s self discipline and self-control. Let me assure you that fasting is no easy matter, most definitely not during the long summer days; but, at the end of the 29 or 30 days, you wake up and think: I can do anything. To fast is to practice endurance and generate more self confidence, patience and determination in the face of a very difficult physical task, reaffirming that one is master over their body, rather than slave to it.
(b) Fasting reminds us that it is a *luxury* to walk to the sink and safely access a clean glass of water when we’re thirsty. That it is a blessing to feel hungry and run out and pick up a burger or a pizza or a fruit, etc. When we consider the levels of poverty and death from starvation that occur at a sick rate on an hourly basis, this reason is unmatched and critical in any fight against apathy.
(c) The lack of reliance on food (or drink or sex or cigarettes or anything external) as a source of comfort and self-soothing forces our hand into a time of self-reflection and awareness. A part of the process very naturally becomes about taking stock of one’s last 12 months; to remind oneself of their personal running list of actions / behaviours with which they are not entirely comfortable, and situations in which they could have been kinder. [Personally, I try to remedy where I can, take note and change where I can not, and ultimately take the coming year to remove influences which I believe are not too healthy (emotionally, physically and spiritually)].
(d) Cleanse and reboot our physiology, as illustrated by the my amazing and lovely sister, Dr. Noreen K.
Pillar #2: Declaration that there are no gods but God (and that his final prophet is Muhammad)
Implicit in this are that Muslims must also believe:
– In absolutely all prior Prophets beginning at Adam, through to Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus (peace be upon them), etc.,
– In over 250,000 Prophets whose names have been lost over time, and culminating in the reality that
– This (to me) is God’s way of asking Muslims to respect all faith traditions, no matter from whom they came as they may be among those whose names have been lost
Pillar #3: Paying an annual tax of 2.5% on your unused assets
This is NOT payable to the Mosque / Masjid.
This is NOT only payable to Muslims.
To whom you pay is based on your individual choice alone with one clear stipulation — that it is preferrable to take care of orphans.
Me, I have several orphans whom I have taken care of for years. I also donate to Carleton’s center for the study on Islam, to environmental organizations, to the Ottawa mission for men, to the war amps, to women’s organizations, UNRWA, to relief organizations during the year and as needed, and to cancer research.
While I work hard to earn my money, I recognize that: (1) I am blessed by the ability to donate freely and without feeling pinched; (2) the money I earn is, at end of day, not really mine; and, (3) this tax is a way to purify the money to the best of my ability. Because every penny has come at the cost of someone in our society where profit > people.
On that last point, I get it – we’re not mining and trading blood diamonds. But everything in this world is connected in one way or another, and so at some point, my money is drenched in someone’s blood. This tax, and all donations from me, I view as a way to purify what I earn.
Pillar #4: Prayer five times a day because like yogis, Muslims know what’s up.
Pillar #5: Performing Hajj once in your lifetime if you are able and have the money.
Where one has neither, then the intent to perform Hajj is all that is required.
May your month be a blessed one, Muslim or otherwise xxo
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P.S. The above are not to be confused with the 5 articles of Islam, in which a Muslim must believe: (1) God (obviously); (2) Judgement Day; (3) All of the books of revelation (Torah, Bible & Qur’an); (4) God’s archangels (Gabriel, Azrael, Michael); and, (5) The messengers (Prophets).
P.S. to the P.S. If you are interested in a starter-book about Islam, I encourage you to consider reading Even Angels Ask by Dr. Jeffrey Lang, a scientist and convert to Islam. It is is a must-read for anyone attempting to understand Islam, or curious about the heart of this religion.
33 Comments:
Anonymous Melissa said…
Thank you Maha! I vaguely remember a friend of mine explaining what Ramadan was, but he wasn’t nearly as clear as you were. The explaination of fasting really touched a nerve – I have never thought about the luxuries I have like grabbing a glass of water whenever I needed it. Thank you for opening my eyes just a wee bit wider today my dear. I love learning about your faith.
Thu Sep 10, 11:20:00 AM
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Blogger Clay said…
Has anyone ever told you that you’re fantastic at explaining things? Especially about Islam. =D
Thu Sep 10, 12:46:00 PM
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Blogger Lola said…
and I LOVE talking about faith with you – exploring the similarities between our faiths and the divergences.
Thu Sep 10, 07:52:00 PM
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Anonymous swinginjazz said…
It’s pretty cool that you get to pick and choose what fard aspects of Islam you like and want to observe (e.g. sawm) and what fard aspects of Islam you don’t like and don’t want to observe (e.g. hijab).
There are signs that the reformist Muslims (such as yourself) are going to defeat the traditionalist Muslims.
Fri Sep 11, 05:17:00 PM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
Melissa – happy you found something of use and it was clear! Ask any questions…always and any time, please!
Clay – THANK YOU! This is a mighty lovely compliment coming from you, my friend 🙂
LOLA – ME TOO ME TOO. Love you…xox
Fri Sep 11, 06:55:00 PM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
ingingJazz – thanks for your comment; just two points of clarification.
This entry is about the pillars of Islam, rather than what is mafrood.
Hijab is not a pillar; and its contestation is up for great discussion, theologically, not personally. I am going to provide you the benefit of the doubt and *not* understand your “like and don’t like” comment on my choices within Islam as being whimsical or flippant.
They are most definitely not.
They are, each and every one of them, based on much thought, much reading, much understanding – and finally, as was decreed to me by Allah, my own freedom to choose.
It is always a comprehensive choice; never a whimsical one.
Specifically, my choice re hijab is just that – it is mine and mine alone and it is of no business to any other. Where that consequence takes me when I face Allah on judgement day is not a burden anyone else in the Ummah must face and so is of no concern to anyone but I. Ergo, others are not welcome to ‘weigh’ in; not now, not ever.
Second, I consider myself a Muslimah, neither traditionalist nor reformist. I believe that in the end, it is Islam which shall prevail; Islam is always referred to as the straight path; this is neither right nor left, but rather the middle. It is the middle, most balanced which shall prevail.
My belief, anyway.
I have a equal and great dislike of many >> both amongst the reformists and the traditionalists.
Salaam and thanks for your comments – I am always appreciative of the opportunity to clarify.
Maha
Fri Sep 11, 06:56:00 PM
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Blogger Clay said…
Swinginjazz, you would do well to understand that it is not about taking sides and “liking” various aspects and “disliking” others, or about trying to defeat anyone or their interpretation.
I recommend you take the time to read Maha’s blog a little more thoroughly, such as the post on Tuesday, January 16, 2007, before you make passive-aggressive comments like that.
Fri Sep 11, 06:58:00 PM
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Blogger yasmine said…
what a CLASSY reply to swinginjazz, Maha. (whereas my instinctive reaction, of course, is to want to punch people like that in the face. or, more up my alley, stab them with plastic forks. gah.)
love this part:
I consider myself a Muslimah, neither traditionalist nor reformist.
highfive to that!
Fri Sep 11, 07:01:00 PM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
Wow – we were here commenting at the same time, it would seem!
Great minds, yes?
Clay – got your email. Your comment stands; I would never delete it.
I had “passive aggressive” in my original response too… 🙂
Yaz – not so nice. Trust. Was originally with machete; put it down and rewrote, providing the benefit of the doubt.
I await a response. Will respond accordingly then – as are you and Clay and anyone else welcome to do the same.
Disrespect of varied opinions (unless they are hate-fueled / bigotted) here is not welcome and will not be tolerated. I play nice until I play with a bully.
On a lighter note – so happy you liked that line! True, yes? HighFive back, love…xoxo
Fri Sep 11, 07:08:00 PM
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Anonymous swinginjazz said…
Hmm… if the hijab is “up for great discussion,” then I guess the following Prophetic tradition might be false: “If the woman reaches the age of puberty, no part of her body should be seen but this” — and he pointed to his face and hands.
So what else is “up for great discussion,” Muslimah? Anything that isn’t a pillar?
Being kind to one’s parents isn’t a pillar. Is that “up for great discussion” as well?
Fri Sep 11, 07:08:00 PM
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Blogger yasmine said…
and can i just add, in a more grownup manner than my previous comment, that i’m honored to have you as a friend and a fellow muslimah in the world, Maha.
islam, and BEING muslim, and one’s personal relationship with god, are never about how one looks or dresses or about how we perceive and judge one another re. our individual practices and the so-called ‘picking and choosing’ of said beliefs and practices.
in all the ways that you think and explain and analyze and laugh and fall and reflect and understand and help (and even machete ;)), it makes me so happy to know there are muslims like you in the world, Maha.
that is all.
Fri Sep 11, 07:10:00 PM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
I see you have proven yourself a passive aggressive bully indeed.
Amazing how easy it is for you to be so aggressive hiding behind a screen name, yes 🙂
My personal choice to not wear hijab is: (1) none of your business; and, (2) is not a luxury up for your topic of discussion.
This personal choice , I will answer for in front of God on judgement day. Not you.
Never you.
Or the likes of you.
What is 7aram, is clear.
The pillars are clear.
The rest is, yes, indeed up for discussion. Exactly as is the point on the beating of women by their husbands.
If Allah wanted to make hijab an indisputable pillar, He would have done so – unless, of course, you are in fact You and are privy to conversations with God that the rest of us do not have the luxury of knowing?
Don’t like that perspective, that’s your right…as equally as it is mine to believe othrewise.
You wish to call me a poor Muslimah, please feel free to do so – you are not my God. Your judgements are entirely null and void.
Call me a kafrah if that makes you feel you are a better, stronger, taller Muslim (Hurrah for you!) 🙂
You are going to heaven, I to hell.
God loves you more than He loves me.
Are you happy?
Are you giggly and smiley now, Brilliant Shinning Luminuous Muslim, stronger in Faith than any other?
peace, love and even respect to your incredibly disrespectful comments,
Maha
P.S. Re my parents – I often times beat them with a stick when they don’t give me what I want. I hope this is okay.
Fri Sep 11, 07:25:00 PM
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Anonymous swinginjazz said…
Relax, I wasn’t questioning your imaan — only your ilm.
You wouldn’t happen to be insecure about your imaan now would you?
People with strong imaan get to enjoy spiritual nourishment during this blessed month.
You have been enjoying spiritual nourishment in this blessed month, haven’t you? 😉
Fri Sep 11, 07:30:00 PM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
Oh you are the quintessential passive aggressive creep – I LOVE IT.
You’re the first troll I have had in a really long time and this makes me happy.
Re my IMAN – why don’t you tell me, since you seem to know so much about me. Wait! Why don’t you first go and have a chat with God; find out what He thinks of me; and then come back!
meesho 🙂
Fri Sep 11, 07:32:00 PM
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Blogger Lola said…
Maha – God told me he thinks you rock. And roll. But he would like you to stop rocking and rolling at the same time. By the way, He’s killing me in Scrabble – keeps making up words and calling them Divine inspiration 😉
Fri Sep 11, 07:43:00 PM
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Anonymous swinginjazz said…
Poor Maha.
I’ll be praying for you, sister.
Praying that the Almighty guides you in your spiritual journey.
Fri Sep 11, 07:47:00 PM
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Blogger yasmine said…
Praying that the Almighty guides you in your spiritual journey.
that’s a lovely prayer, swinginjazz. it’s just so sad and ridiculous that you felt compelled to undermine it by prefacing the sentiment with such snarkiness.
i’m sure maha is so honored to have your prayers during these last ten, most blessed days of ramadan. i hope you throw in some prayers for yourself, too — especially ones asking God to make you less of a judgmental bastid.
Fri Sep 11, 07:53:00 PM
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Blogger yasmine said…
PS: just to lighten the mood a bit, i’d like to add that my word verification for the commentbox was ‘dishippy.’ highfive to the idealistic hippies, especially those typing from berkeley! (me, me!)
Fri Sep 11, 08:37:00 PM
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Anonymous Anonymous said…
SwinginJazz.. I did not find your initial comment problematic because I truly believe that you, like Maha, have every right and indeed responsibility to understand Islam for yourself and to act accordingly. So, it is OK if you chose to follow the opinion of those scholars that believe the Hijab is required. If you are wrong, you and only you will pay the price so you had better take the responsibility for your decision. Same goes for Maha. Having said that, your second entry was uncalled for, uncharitable and in itself against the prophetic tradition instructing you to advocate for Islam using kindness and gentle advice .. You chose to pick the hijab prophetic tradition that you liked and to ignore the other prophetic tradition that instructs you to advocate for Islam in a kind way. How different re you from maha ?
If we will go into “the quoting of prophetic tradition” business, could I suggest to you that by QUOTING the prophetic tradition you are yourself violating the completely UNDISPUTED prophetic tradition in which the Prophet PBUH instructed Muslims in his time to NEVER EVER record or quote any of his sayings. He was concerned that if we do, we will, with time, elevate his words to some sacred text that people treat on an equal basis as the word of God in the Quran!!! He did not want us to ever forget that he was a fallible human being. I guess he rightly expected that over 100 years after he dies, people will start writing down what they remember of his quotes that they passed on verbally form one generation to another! This is why when the second Caliph Omar heard that the famous abu Huraira was going around authoritatively quoting the prophet’s sayings, he (Omar) threatened Abu Huraira that he will burn him alive if he ever heard him quoting the Prophet again. Abu Huraira was after that silent and did not start reporting the sayings till after Omar died and he was installed as “the resident scholar” in Mu’awyeh’s palace. He ended up reporting the absolute majority of the prophet’s sayings, three times as much as the prophet’s wife Aisha did, despite not having been with Prophet PBUH for more than 1.5 years!!! As you know, there are different hadiths depending on the scholar who collected them and for your info, the Shi’a have a completely different set of sayings as the prophetic tarditions!!!!
Even though early scholars had considerable qualifiers for the use of these traditions/sayings, we, just like the Prophet anticipated, have descended into using what these other fallible humans (the scholars) recorded based on memory through chains of generations, as if it were the word of God. When the same scholars are asked why they are ignoring the Prophet’s saying forbidding recording his sayings, a saying /hadith/prophetic tradition that no one disputed, they responded that times have changed now that the Quran is recorded and we do not need to worry about a mixup between Quran and sayings of prophets. These same people are the ones that quote the sayings of the prophet as if they were Quran. In fact, they too picked the sayings they liked to tell us to follow verbatim at all times and chose to ignore the saying they did not like!!!
Swinginjazz Numerous injunctions in the Quran urge us all to think for ourselves and to never follow blindly anyone. We are taught that prophet Abraham kept asking God for proof of His existence and when God asked: ‘why do you ask, do you not believe?”, he answered, I do but I need “to know’ so my heart is at peace”. God did not tell him how dare you not accept blindly.
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BB
Sat Sep 12, 04:39:00 AM
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Anonymous Anonymous said…
part II
This theme is repeated throughout the Quran and the prevailing prophetic traditions asking us to think, contemplate and telling us all how each person is accountable for their own actions, independent of who gave them advice to take these actions. All Muslims agree that I can’t get myself off the hook on a bad deed because I was following advice of an imam. God will simply say: I gave you a brain to think for yourself, why did you waste it? You will tell me that when your car needs fixing, you go the mechanic you do not fix it yourself. So, as the argument goes, if you have a religious question, you take it to a mechanic of religion, an imam and do not think for yourself!. I answer you like this.. If my car has a problem, I take it to the mechanic. If he tells me it is a 20$ to fix it, I do not question it and I do as he says. When he tells me it will need $10,000, I get a second opinion and then make up my mind. In other words, I thnk a bit more, consider alternative perspectives and them make up my mind. When my body breaks down and the doctor tells me I have cancer and I need to have surgery and to take radiation/chemo; I get a second, third and fourth opinion including natural medicine and every possible medicine. I go to the most knowledgeable people to benefit from their expertise. Then after seeking a lot of input from others, I make up my mind because my life is too big an asset to risk it by following one doctor blindly .. in the end, if he is wrong, I pay. “Trust me” will not work, I will have to think for myself after I have asked a million questions.
Thus, you are responsible for reaching your own understanding of Islam, based on your effort in reading for yourself, digging into different opinions provided by different scholars and then making up your own mind in a way that puts your heart at peace. You are to be commended for seemingly doing so.
Maha, like you, has the exact same right and exact same responsibility. She is to be commended for doing so.
the Quran is one book. “schools of fiqh” are many because the very early scholars recognized that the same book will be understood by human beings in different ways. They enver ridiculed others’ opinion and as Imam Shafey said “my opinion is right but could be wrong and “his” opinion is wrong but could be right”. Choosing one interpretation and “fixing” as the “only” interpretation is akin to believing those who interpreted it in the way you “like” are more than just regular mortals, they are somehow infallible. This, in my opinion, is in direct conflict with fundamentals of Islam where all humans are by definition fallible including prophet Muhammad PBUH himself.
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Sat Sep 12, 04:41:00 AM
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Anonymous Anonymous said…
Please accept that the scholars are just that.. scholars. they are human and they differ in their understanding based on their own experience. Indeed many scholars advocate that the hijab meaning covering the hair is a must. Others advocate modesty in dress is what is a must but they give considerable evidence that hijab itself as defined now was a carryover from Christian and other communities were free women were covered and slaves were not even allowed to cover. Is it a majority interpretation? certainly not. Is it a possible interpretation? to many, it is.
You made your choice, let others make theirs.
Be comfortable in your decision and worry about how to make yourself a better person. This should be enough preoccupation in life without worrying about how to “fix maha”. Even if the hijab is a requirement , it is intended as a tool to remind you constantly to live up to the image you project wearing that hijab. There is no need to put down others who have chosen a different interpretation than yours. The Quran forbids you from calling other people’s gods names so they do not turn around and call God names. This would easily be extended to imply do not ridicule other people’s faiths (including the faith of other Muslims) so they do not ridicule yours.
You wearing the hijab likely creates opportunities for you to explain Islam to others who may ask you why you wear it. I do hope that you provide that explanation in a kinder way than how you gave Maha feedback. On the other hand, Maha’s blog allows her to reach people who will never read an islamic blog written by typical Muslim brothers and sisters. Be grateful that she is reaching out to this audience that would never be accessible to you, not in a million year. Be grateful that several people of other faiths read her blog and walked away with a more positive image of Islam than they walked in with. Should this not be something you can appreciate as maha’s contribution to Islam?
Keep practicing Islam in the way that puts your heart at peace and leave Maha to do it the way that puts HER heart at peace. The beauty of Islam and the reason it still thrives is that it does not just allow for this freedom of choice, it mandates it. You have a role to play and Maha has another. You can never play her role, you do not want to play her role and should not have to play her role. maha can never play your role, does not want to play your role and should never have to ply role. As the Quran says, you have your way and I have mine. God is the Judge. Do not assume you are so perfect that you can take over His judging role.
May the last few days of Ramadan help you find the peace of mind that frees you from wanting to prove others wrong so you can feel you are right. My apologies for the excessively long response!
final!!
BB
Sat Sep 12, 04:41:00 AM
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Anonymous swinginjazz said…
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Sat Sep 12, 08:03:00 AM
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Anonymous swinginjazz said…
One last thing, you mentioned the last ayah from Surat-al-Kafirun. If you are implying that I have violated that ayah, then I really think you’re wrong. I’m not forcing anyone to adopt my beliefs/practices.
I am merely trying to live by the following Qur’anic ayah: “Let there be people among you, who invite to the best [in religion]; and command that which is right, and forbid that which is evil; and they shall be happy.” (Surat-Al-Imran, Ayah 104)
Apparently, that makes me the bad guy. We live in strange times. 🙂
Sat Sep 12, 08:12:00 AM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
To everyone above –
I get to decide who is welcome in my home, passive aggression and trolling are not welcome.
Hence, the individual who does so from now on will not have their comments posted.
To answer the last q of SwinginJazz, so that in the future no one looses sight: What makes you the ‘bad’ guy is your rudeness, passive aggression and discourteous nature.
Had you come here and sincerely asked questions, you would have received responses in kind and you would have been met with an interesting, interested, generous, gracious group of people and their extremely intelligent responses and perspectives.
Yet you came here looking for a fight – and a fight is exactly what you got. But that will not happen again as no comments of that sort – from you or any other – will be posted.
Your original post reeked of passive aggression and sarcasm and as Sammity Sam would say “fightin’ words”, but I extended to you the benefit of the doubt, and you unhesitatingly proved your original intentions were offensive.
Note that: Your first response to BB has been deleted because it was rude, sarcastic, mired in passive aggression and deflective of the serious – and still gracious and respectful – counterargument posed by BB, who you may refer to as a SHEIKHAH as she is a female, by the way – one of the leading heavyweight academic scholars in North America who ‘lives’ here with anonymity (no ‘strawman’ there).
You originally had a chance to engage kindly, but you chose to instead use sarcasm and unkindness and challenge the core of my faith.
You don’t get a second chance here.
“A certain someone” (seriously – that was kind of funny that you kept calling me that)
P.S. FYI ‘SwinginJazz’ – you need two criteria to amount to slander: (1) Actual slander – of which there was none here; and, (2) a real identity being slandered (i.e., had your name linked to your own site on which your real identity was obvious, as mine is here).
So then – in a world of technical legality, it is in fact you doing the slandering on my internet home.
(Psst! Guess who has a degree in law, friend…)
Comments are from here on in moderated.
Sat Sep 12, 09:34:00 AM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
As an aside to all of the above – I am currently having two rather brilliant email discussions with one young convert to Islam, and another man who is curious about the faith and approaching it because he doesn’t know much about it. He read a few things I wrote and he’s engaged – respectfully – because he is curious. This makes me exceedingly happy. (And no, ladies, there is no romantic engagement here on either; though the former young gentleman I have come to love and respect dearly.)
No matter how misrepresented this faith is be it by those within or those without, there are equal amounts of people willing to read a little more and understand a little more and open up to a better understanding of it a little more.
That’s heartwarming, no…?
Consider it a ‘good news story’ after the unfortunate above interactions.
BB – I love your three items above. I love them and it is always an honour to have you comment. Every single time. Thank you 🙂
Sat Sep 12, 09:47:00 AM
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Anonymous Talib P. said…
Canuck, I am weighing in because this is a thread that needs it. This is my first time commenting publicly.
I must admit that I believe one of our greatest downfalls now, in the Ummah, is the sort of thinking illustrated above. I am a brother and see it all too often myself. The main concern has become covering and hiding the female, rather than paying attention to what is happening on the inside of either men or women, or fighting the misrepresentation of Islam globally.
If this individual were honestly and seriously looking to do good, he would not be here, where Islam is represented so beautifully. He would be on the pages that misrepresent Islam as a faith of violence and intolerance and aggression.
Keep up your amazing writing, Canuck!
Your brother, Talib
Sat Sep 12, 10:09:00 AM
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Anonymous Anonymous said…
Yasmine you are hilarious with your forks! My word verification is poloSING =0)
Maha mad props that you still find enough humor to reference Sammity Sam in your response.
You are henceforth Cool Hand Luke.
I am reading articles over at Zaytuna.org like you said, and they’re amazing! Why don’t more people know about Hamza Yusuf??? Dude’s wicked and a little bit of a hippie. Wicked though, mate. 100% badass theology.
Steve
Sat Sep 12, 04:58:00 PM
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Anonymous Saad (Maha on behalf of) said…
Hi all – this is Maha posting as her friend Saad; Saad – re your interesting Qs to BB, please feel free to post as yourself in response from here on in! I will withhold my opinion on this and leave it instead in the capable hands of BB 🙂
Saad writes:
I was going through the comments section in your latest post. And I must say I’m quite impressed with your friend BB. I think I could learn a lot from her since she appears to be extremely knowledgeable on Islam. I’m constantly trying to increase my knowledge of Islam. I have a question for BB. I was wondering if you could convey it to her. I’d really appreciate it.
[…]I wanted to know whether it’s true that the majority view on any Islamic issue is the most correct view. I once heard a hadith in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said that his nation would never agree on something that wasn’t true.
This has been interpreted as meaning that the vast majority of Muslim scholars would never agree on an opinion on an Islamic issue unless that opinion were the most correct opinion. This does not necessarily mean that the minority opinions are wrong; they may, in fact, also be correct. But does the majority opinion make it the most correct opinion just because it’s shared by the majority? […]
I have read about the Islamic concept of ijma (meaning consensus). If there is a consensus (or even a near consensus) among the scholars that, for example, interest-bearing loans are forbidden, does this mean that this opinion is the right one? What if there are a minority of Muslim scholars who say that interest in this day and age is not the same as it was back in the day, and so interest today should not be thought of as riba? I’m curious as to whether we should legitimize such a minority opinion even though it seems fairly unorthodox.
Can a minority opinion really be the most correct opinion? If so, then the concept of ijma would become meaningless, no?
— Saad
Sat Sep 12, 05:28:00 PM
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Blogger Clay said…
To Saad’s question for BB I would like to add: what role does ijtihad or interpretation of given sources for oneself play in conjunction with ijma, and how do they relate to one another? Thank you!
Sat Sep 12, 07:01:00 PM
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Anonymous Anonymous said…
Before I get turned into one of the scholars i was criticizing, let me state that I am a regular Muslim who believes that being a believer requires me to think as opposed to suspending my capacity to think. Other than that, please take my opinion as just that.. my opinion for which I will be held accountable. You need to decide for yourself what you want to be held accountable for as I have no desire to be held accountable for your actions as well as mine!!!!
On the Ijma’issue(concensus), clearly an opinion that has most people agreeing to it will carry more weight than one that is advocated for by only one person. However, history, including Muslim history, is full of examples of how majority position was disastrously wrong and how people were drawn back to the right path through what started as dissenting opinion. Islam itself started as a dissenting position advocated as a challenge to the existing ijma’ or concensus of the majority at the time. The Quran was harshly critical of the pagans because they would not even hear the message and would not consider anything other than following the practice of their predecessors blindly. This is why we are repeatedly ordered to “think” for ourselves.
One of the basic pinciples of the Quran is that of individual accountability. Ask any imam what happens if someone follwos his religious advice or that of the majority and it turns out that it was the wrong advice. Would that person be excused becuase it was a kowledgeable imam or a majority of imams that gave that advice? No half sane imam would ever argue that he can absolve you of the responsibility of your own actions. Thus,majority or no majority, you are accountable. If you accept that, then you should verify for yourself the value of every advice, irrespective of whether it is majority or minority.
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Sun Sep 13, 03:46:00 AM
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Anonymous Anonymous said…
cont’d
Having said that, indeed the majority opinion should be listened to seriously but never accepted blindly. As I said, accepting it without questioning it means you have turned those scholars who recahed that conclusion into gods who can make no mistake. Unlike the catholic church, Islam has no Pope figure and forbids priesthood. the currnet attempt to make Muslims believe that they need an Imam to tell them what to do in everything and that only Imams can understand and explain how to apply the Quran is a scary attempt to create a veiled priesthood for Islam.
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Sun Sep 13, 03:47:00 AM
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Final part…
saad quoted a hadith that i have never heard before and would easily question its authenticity and strength given the fact that majority opinion has been wrong before in Muslim communities and more imporatntly that it contradicts the Quran by basically advocating that one folliws blindly the majority position without theought because it must be right.
As to ijtihad or basically trying to determine the right answer to new questions that never arose before based on understanding of the principles of Islam, I do not see any conflict with concensus. typically, new issue arises, everyone will seek to come up with an answer based on their understanding of the past and based on past answers to other similar questions. depending on the person’s approach, some will try to find the closest scenario in the past and copy the solution now (i.e. maintain trdition) while others will try to come with new solutions that maintain the principle but not duplicate the actual actions (i.e. those who do ijtihd). Chances are,the majority will mostly converge in one direction because they come at the question from the same prevailing experience. A few odd voices may have a different perspective. depending on how loud their voices are, how persistent and how credible they are as individuals, they may gradually shift the majority position. More likely, they will remain a minority position but with time, slowly, more and more people who are choosing to consider all opinions, then make up their mind may end up adopting this minority position and over time, it may become the new majority position. Or, it may turn out to be a wacko idea and very few people accept it and it dies away.
I believe it is the responsibility of every Muslim (and every person)constantly ask themselves what they are doing and why they are doing it and when seeking answers to new porblems,the goal is to ensure we maintain the principle not to replicate the specific actions.
When it comes to individual accountability, there is no manjority and minority opinions. Everyone agrees. A Muslim is 100% accountable. For some that means not taking the risk and simply relying on others who are more knowledgeable and of course in this case the more concensus the better. For others, it means not taking the risk of surrendering your fate to others’opinions but rather listening to what they (majority and minority) have to say and then following your heart since none of these scholars will pay for your actions if they turn out to be wrong.
Islam as a religion is menat for all times and all places. Nothing can exist for all times and all places if it was not flexible enough to allow for itself to adapt its application to these varying times and places without compromising on its core essence and values. Abdallah al farouqui of the nawwawi group http://www.nawawi.org/ gave an analogy that I found most applicable: Islam is like a pure spring of water flowing on a bed of rocks. If the bedrock is red, we see a red stream. if it is blue, we see a blue stream. In both cases, the spring has not changed but it merged with its surroundings in a beautiful way. Those who try to keep the stream looking red when it is flowing over blue rock must change the stream itself to do so..
My approch is to not ask what did the Prophet PBUH say or do since my circumstances now have very little to do wiith the circumstances in which he said what he said or did what he did. I much prefer to ask why did he do what he did or say what he said? what was the principle he was applying? then the question becomes what can I say or do today in my own circumstances so that I apply the same principle he applied. This is how I believe Islam will survive and continue to maintain its principles despite the massive change in circumstances.
May we all find our way to doing what’s right for our world.. after all, this is what all religions hope to get their followers to do!
My apologies for the length.. it takes longer to make it shorter 🙂
BB
Sun Sep 13, 03:48:00 AM
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Blogger one female canuck said…
BB – For the record – I agree with everything you explained above. In fact, there’s nothing I would have added / removed were I to have explained it myself. When I read the hadith which seemed to indicate following blindly majority opinion, my immediate instinct was that it couldn’t possibly be true as I’d never heard it and it seemed absurd that the Prophet (pbuh) would ever ask the Ummah to follow blindly *anything*.
Everyone else – The questions have been answered comprehensively and it’s now up to you – each individual reader – to decide for yourself that which makes most sense to you and sits best within your hearts. That said, leave all others to do the same 🙂
I’d originally thought I would leave this entry open to accept discussion, but I have decided against it as I really don’t wish to further exhaust BB. As such, I am now closing the comments section on this entry and no further comments will be posted.
As equally important >> I will not be responding to emails that wish to further engage this topic of discussion – you will find others who agree with me in chat rooms and so you are free to take it up with them; my personal perspectives (already confirmed) are no longer up for discussion and any emails wishing to engage them will (respectfully) remain unanswered.
Salaam to each of you and may this last week of Ramadan bring you much more peace and spiritual awareness, Inshallah.
Maha
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Well said…
This is certainly a wonderful write-up. Thank you so much for taking the time to describe all of this out for us. It’s a great help!
bestgirl — I will pop into a church if I am tired spiritually and I can’t find a mosque. Ultimately, this earth is the house of God…so even seated beneath a tree, one is at church / attending synagogue / praying in a masjid (mosque).
Thank you Castanon.
Glasgow, I do not have a Facebook page. Thank you for asking.
Thanks, Pick Up Artist — nice handle!
Happy to help in any way, Lise. Lovely that you found it as much.
As we say on Yom Kippur, may you have a safe and easy fast and may you use this time to reflect on the year that has past and begin the next year with peace and clarity. Did I ever mention that my cousin’s wife Kamand is Muslim? She fasts with my cousin on Yom Kippur and he does the same with her during Ramadan. This year, she will not be fasting, as she is with baby!!
BTW, just read all the prior comments and find it fascinating that this type of discussion is relevant on all religions. Those who consider themselves the strictest or most pious, because they chose to cover their heads or pray more often each week or are stricter in their dietary law observance (whether it be Christian, Jewish or Muslim), tend to miss the small print that says G-D loves everyone and knows what is in your heart. No matter how you chose to practice or not practice the letter of the law of your religion is between G-D and you. On G-D knows what is in your heart and it is being a good person that counts, not all the other actions.
Lainie!
Thank you very very much for your lovely words.
No, you never mentioned that your cousin was married to a Muslim — what part of the world is she from and how was that news received, please? I have only ever met one other couple of this combo, so am intrigued!
As to the previous and unfortunate conversation…yes, there are always such thinking in any faith. I think it’s easier for people to “measure”; quantifying by the human eye is all that we have and so people stick to it like…well, you know.
Also, it makes people feel morew pious to point out what they perceive as the less pious nature of another. It’s very very very said.
What you wrote, is precisely how I understand the core of my Faith 🙂
xx
She grew up in San Francisco, but her family is Iranian by way of France. They had a big wedding in San Fran that I was unable to attend, but combined both the Muslim and Jewish traditions together. By the way, my children’s bffs are also of Iranian descent, but Christian. My family and my friends are very diverse in race, creed and nationality. Even my dh and I were raised differently- I am Reform and he is Conservative. So, I totally understand were there is sometimes less understanding within the same religion than there is when people of different faith share. My mother-in-law would not recognize our wedding unless a Conservative Rabbi married us. Very nonsardonically: true story.
That’s amazing about your mother-in-law, though not entirely surprising. One of my best girls is experiencing the same sort of sitch; her husband’s family wants them to go to a particular synagogue, but they are refusing because the Rabbi is a Zionist who places much worth on…well, you know. This has caused a rift between them and the family, but they are sticking to it, and it has allowed others within the family to finally come out of the “non Zionist” closet…as ultimately, it is their family unit they wish to raise within certain values, one of them not aligning Judaism with Zionism.
As for the wedding; I bet it was really interesting, and it is too bad that you did not have a chance to attend. Boo. Imagine the food, alone?!
Speaking of food. We break fast in a little over an hour, and the first official day of Ramadan will be over. Hurrah.
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7 COMMENTS:
Chantal said…
I enjoy reading your posts on Islam and your keen perspectives on faith. 20 years ago, I worked for a Lebanese couple in their restaurant, and they were my introduction to how a Muslim incorporated Islam in daily life (and a great introduction it was). When Ramadan came up, they explained to me what it was about. And although I felt very comfortable in asking them a zillion questions about their faith, their customs, their views on anything and everything, I didn’t understand the purpose of fasting from sunrise to sundown. I was ignorant of what observing Ramadan could bring to someone’s life. I was 20, what did I know? So I never really asked them at the time why they did this.
Thanks to you, now I know
It’s interesting that when I read what you write about your Muslim faith, I feel stronger and more confident in my Christian faith. Proof once again that with respectful communication (talking AND listening), and an eagerness to learn, we all grow in our beliefs.
Loved the last paragraph.
Peace,
Chantal
WED SEP 12, 10:57:00 PM
Sarah said…
Ramadan Kareem to you too Maha
THU SEP 13, 06:32:00 AM
Maria Calvo said…
Ramadan Kareem to you too Maha – I have been saying this to all of my Muslim friends and they’re all super happy with me
Maria
THU SEP 13, 08:52:00 AM
Anonymous said…
Ramadan kareem, sister.
Mohammad
FRI SEP 14, 11:41:00 AM
Mo said…
I read this on my calendar the other day and thought of you. Ramadan kareem my friend!
SUN SEP 16, 01:33:00 AM
Anonymous said…
Happy Ramadan. Congratulations!
J
MON SEP 17, 09:47:00 PM
Colleen said…
Congratulations on finishing your first week of Ramadan, Maha! I am going to try to fast tomorrow. It’s only for a day, but I am already anxious and a little worried I won’t last! I am going to do my best though.
Colleen
SAT SEP 22, 09:48:00 PM
Thank you Maha, so now I know.
Now you know! Thank you for reading 🙂
Ramadan Mubarak habiba…
This post is beautiful, and the dialogue it elicited (even the passive-aggressive snarkiness) was necessary and good and blessed iA. There’s so much I want to say but I think it’s all been said.
May Allah swt accept your every good intention and endeavor… and may your writing continue to be a source of necessary discussion and enlightenment.
<3 F
Fatoomi — I am so happy that both the article and the subsequent discussion was of interest.
Less than two weeks left before Eid. How has Ramadan treated you, love?
And to you, may Allah swt do the same for you xoxoxoxo
Everything you write resonates for me sis, thanks for that.
Ramadan is always a gracious guest, hamdillah. I’m not going to lie and say that I LOVE fasting, but I do LOVE ramadan and the benefits of fasting…so there is that I suppose.
May the last 10 days wrap you up in blessings and time pass easily for you.